EmilyM Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 So this is Teacher Me talking. I don't know if anyone here has the legal know-how to advise me, but I'll happily take anything. I teach at a virtual school and have a student who could possibly qualify for an IEP. She's not my lowest performer by our beginning of year assessment by any means, but is on the low due to some observed attention struggles. Her mother has been talking about the struggles since before school started and keeps talking about how the kid needs an IEP. Except... Mom is making it so hard and I'm not sure what else I can do. So far, Mom has stated (only by voice) that she thinks Kid needs an IEP and possibly a modified curriculum. Our special education department has called her multiple times, left voicemails and texts and emails about this, but no response from Mom. I've told Mom flat-out to send a request to start the process in writing. I'm trying to keep data, but the family doesn't do enough schoolwork to give me much to look at (chicken or egg?) I'm not sure what else is my duty here. Everytime I speak with Mom, she asks about the IEP and modified (not accommodated) work, but it's almost like she doesn't want to do anything on her end. That probably sounds judgmental, but is there any point where I can jump in to speed up the process without Mom? I've passed on the concerns to the special education department per our state policy, but without Mom helping us more and Kid giving me more data I'm worried we will just be stuck in RTI hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jenna Posted October 10, 2022 Moderators Share Posted October 10, 2022 Not a lawyer or a school administrator. Who at the school does Mom have the best relationship with? Could you or that specific person reach out from your school email address and request a video chat with the parent to explain who the SPED director is and that she's left multiple texts/voicemails/etc. for her? Maybe texts/calls from the SPED director go through from an unknown number, or maybe they're flagged as a scam call? Perhaps emails from the virtual school are sometimes sent to a "promotions" or "spam" folder? Has the school mailed a paper letter to the parent? If the student is attending virtual classes, has the staff asked the student to have the parent call/email/etc? You mentioned that Mom asks about the IEP and modified work...did the child transfer to the virtual school? Perhaps she thinks that the child already has an IEP that the virtual school should be following? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSD24 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 The way IDEA is written, Child Find is on the school. Schools can & do sent out requests to parents for them to OK a sp ed eval to happen for their child. Has the school done this? The next time the parent tells you they want an IEP, I'd take that as a verbal request for a sp ed eval to be put in motion. (My state, PA, even has timelines on when this has to happen.) The next time this mom asks for an IEP, tell them that the school can reach out to her but she needs to provide a written OK for a sp ed assessment. That's the 1st step in the IEP process. (It is a complicated process. I know I didn't understand that when I saw my child had needs for sp ed.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lisa Lightner Posted October 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted October 13, 2022 Teachers and staff can absolutely refer for evals. Most of the time the parent initiates it, but it doesn't have to be that way. Have the school send a permission to evaluate form, let mom know it's coming. That should expedite things. 1 Quote For more information, you can find me here: A Day in our Shoes Planet Sesame Street Doggy Lovin The IEP Toolkit Online IEP Advocacy Training-Registration Ends Sept 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/10/2022 at 5:25 PM, JSD24 said: The way IDEA is written, Child Find is on the school. Schools can & do sent out requests to parents for them to OK a sp ed eval to happen for their child. Has the school done this? The next time the parent tells you they want an IEP, I'd take that as a verbal request for a sp ed eval to be put in motion. (My state, PA, even has timelines on when this has to happen.) The next time this mom asks for an IEP, tell them that the school can reach out to her but she needs to provide a written OK for a sp ed assessment. That's the 1st step in the IEP process. (It is a complicated process. I know I didn't understand that when I saw my child had needs for sp ed.) The school has sent out the request for evaluation, just no response from Mom. I'll go ahead and bring it up next time we talk and go with a verbal request. Are we still stuck if she never okays anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/10/2022 at 7:39 AM, Jenna said: Not a lawyer or a school administrator. Who at the school does Mom have the best relationship with? Could you or that specific person reach out from your school email address and request a video chat with the parent to explain who the SPED director is and that she's left multiple texts/voicemails/etc. for her? Maybe texts/calls from the SPED director go through from an unknown number, or maybe they're flagged as a scam call? Perhaps emails from the virtual school are sometimes sent to a "promotions" or "spam" folder? Has the school mailed a paper letter to the parent? If the student is attending virtual classes, has the staff asked the student to have the parent call/email/etc? You mentioned that Mom asks about the IEP and modified work...did the child transfer to the virtual school? Perhaps she thinks that the child already has an IEP that the virtual school should be following? At our school, all email goes through a school system (when they log on) so it's impossible for it to be flagged as junk mail because the system doesn't have that option. All emails are being read (we can check that). I'm going to pass on the idea of mailing something in paper to see if that shows a greater sign of importance. The child was in a different school last year but only attended a few times, so the grade is being repeated. There was no IEP from that school according to Mom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christy McGuire Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 12:32 PM, EmilyM said: So this is Teacher Me talking. I don't know if anyone here has the legal know-how to advise me, but I'll happily take anything. I teach at a virtual school and have a student who could possibly qualify for an IEP. She's not my lowest performer by our beginning of year assessment by any means, but is on the low due to some observed attention struggles. Her mother has been talking about the struggles since before school started and keeps talking about how the kid needs an IEP. Except... Mom is making it so hard and I'm not sure what else I can do. So far, Mom has stated (only by voice) that she thinks Kid needs an IEP and possibly a modified curriculum. Our special education department has called her multiple times, left voicemails and texts and emails about this, but no response from Mom. I've told Mom flat-out to send a request to start the process in writing. I'm trying to keep data, but the family doesn't do enough schoolwork to give me much to look at (chicken or egg?) I'm not sure what else is my duty here. Everytime I speak with Mom, she asks about the IEP and modified (not accommodated) work, but it's almost like she doesn't want to do anything on her end. That probably sounds judgmental, but is there any point where I can jump in to speed up the process without Mom? I've passed on the concerns to the special education department per our state policy, but without Mom helping us more and Kid giving me more data I'm worried we will just be stuck in RTI hell. Quote CM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSD24 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 If you are in PA, you would be out of compliance with timelines. In PA, you have 10 days to get this form to a parent after they make an oral request for an IEP evaluation: https://www.pattan.net/Forms/PERMISSION-TO-EVALUATE-ORAL-REQUEST-FORM?NodeId=1548112. Seems like the only way you have not tried to communicate is snail mail. I would see about mailing the mom a request to verify her info as voice mail messages & email have not been returned. She might have new contact info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyWatson Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Does Mom understand that the school needs permission? Maybe a paper note AND e-mail stating in plain English 1. We are happy to evaluate your child for an IEP and/or modified curriculum. Step one is getting a written reply from you stating that we have permission to do this. We MUST have your written permission to proceed. That can be a written note or a reply to this e-mail stating "I want my daughter evaluated for an IEP and give the school permission to do so." 2. Step 2 - Once we have permission, we will evaluate your child in all areas of suspected disability. Please list any parental concerns you have about your child's ability to function in school. 3. Step 3- and so on.... give her a plain-English checklist of the steps so she understands what happens, who will do what, and a time line (within 30 days after receiving your written permission to evaluate your daughter, etc.) A LOT Of parents find the process intimidating and these days everyone is stressed. And honestly, I think less than 10% of the parents of kids with IEP's I've ever worked with as an inclusion teacher have ever actually read the procedural safeguards booklet or know where to find info on the process on the state, county, or school websites. She may already feel she's done her part by just mentioning it to you. How does the child feel about it? Some kids (especially the middle and high school kids I've taught!) are scared they'll be labeled "dummies" or "retards" or teased by their peers. (Not a fan of those words either and kids CAN be cruel!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 To give an update, due to the virtual nature of the school and Mom's own admitted ADHD, Mom confessed she struggled with staying atop the communication. The family wound up homeschooling as Mom felt that would be easier for herself and her kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angie D.C. Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 If a parent refuses to consent to the evaluation, the school may pursue consent through mediation or the due process system. Consent to evaluate does not constitute consent to provide services. https://ysacs.ss7.sharpschool.com › ... 34 C.F.R. 300.300(a) Either the school or the parent may initiate a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angie D.C. Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Does your school use DocuSign? If not I'd highly recommend this being put in place. The form is filled out and then sent to the parent or guardian to review with a request to be digitally signed. Then after digitally signing all the parent or guardian has to do is click on the submit button. It makes the parent part of the process super simple and super fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Angie D.C. said: Does your school use DocuSign? If not I'd highly recommend this being put in place. The form is filled out and then sent to the parent or guardian to review with a request to be digitally signed. Then after digitally signing all the parent or guardian has to do is click on the submit button. It makes the parent part of the process super simple and super fast. Are you saying to write the request on behalf of the parent and then have them sign it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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